Re: English for unapt people

Messaggioda Camillo » 30/03/2013, 15:50

I want to come back to classic music for piano : I recently listened to Evgeny Kissin and I was really astonished by his performances .
What do you think ? Grand valse by Chopin on You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgXlgicfgzE
I am not a pianist, I like to listen but I cannot even read music :(
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Re: English for unapt paeople

Messaggioda Zero87 » 30/03/2013, 15:52

Thank you for corrections. :)
Pianoth ha scritto:Let's just stop talking about music anyway.

We wait for gio73 - the topic's composer - and other forumists in order to talk about anything (in english). :wink:

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Hi Camillo, I didn't see you while I was writing my post.
Camillo ha scritto:What do you think ? Grand valse by Chopin on You Tube

The Grand Valse (= "grande valzer brillante op.18" I suppose) is a composition which is considered easy enough for advanced pianists, but in my opinion, it is very difficult in order to do the necessary sensibility in playing...
Camillo ha scritto: I am not a pianist, I like to listen but I cannot even read music :(

Don't worry, if you like to listen classical music, it's not strictly necessary you are able to read it in order to understand the structure: obviously I know that this is a great help, but it's not necessary in my opinion. I think that the "listening" is the most important thing to enjoy classical music.
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Re: English for unapt people

Messaggioda Camillo » 30/03/2013, 20:55

I add another famous studio by Chopin played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6iXQ5_MCA
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Re: English for unapt people

Messaggioda Camillo » 30/03/2013, 21:00

And last but not least
Beethoven Rondò e capriccio played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQn4Qfy_Bek
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Re: English for unapt people

Messaggioda Zero87 » 30/03/2013, 21:11

Camillo ha scritto:I add another famous studio by Chopin played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6iXQ5_MCA

Excellent, but in my opinion is a bit fast in some points. I prefer those
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrEKDvyRpDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5VTBdKbFM

But the best for me is the one I told to Pianoth (it's Listz's piece)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmq5JBpFf9w

Camillo ha scritto:And last but not least
Beethoven Rondò e capriccio played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQn4Qfy_Bek

Beautiful

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Re: English for unapt paeople

Messaggioda gio73 » 30/03/2013, 21:59

Leonardo89 ha scritto:
I'm only a student who loves math, especially algebra, which is why I'd like to improve my English to pursuing my dream of a PHD abroad.
I will do lots of English mistakes in this conversation.

I think because is better.

Well, I'm going to describe my afternoon.
I went to supermarket and I met one of my friends: she was elegant with a nice handbag and a cool make-up, your husband was following her and he was pushing with difficulty a trolley with a lot of things. I smiled in my mind and I greeted my friends. After that I bought all things I needed and a very cool nail varnish (it is lillà, a colour between pink and light purple).
I'm going to wear my new nail varnish: good night!

PS There is a lillà tree in my garden, his perfum is beautiful but unfotunately it blooms just on May.
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Re: English for unapt people

Messaggioda Pianoth » 30/03/2013, 22:07

Camillo ha scritto:I add another famous studio by Chopin played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6iXQ5_MCA

I've just listened to it: Kissin plays it wonderfully... You have to know that I learned this piece a long time ago, let me say that it is an extremely hard etude...
It also has an interesting history behind it... They say that Chopin has actually improvised this piece! I mean, because of the defeat in the Polish–Russian War, he was so mad that he started playing this piece with all his energy.

I also heard Cziffra's version and I have to say that I personally prefer how Kissin played, it seemed a lot more powerful and clean, how it should be. Anyway Cziffra has interpreted the etude in a completely different way, which is of course not wrong at all.
Same thing for Lisitsa's version, she played almost perfectly, but it seems that she has underestimated the power of the etude.

Let me tell to you a fantastic site where you can find pretty much all chopin's works: http://www.ourchopin.com/musicchopin/
You can hear in that site the version I like the most of this etude: http://www.ourchopin.com/musicchopin/etu10-12.mp3

Listen to that: extremely powerful, but also very fast, precise and controlled!
They should have written who played that, it's a shame I don't actually know who he/she is.

Zero87 ha scritto:But the best for me is the one I told to Pianoth (it's Listz's piece)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmq5JBpFf9w

Epic! You have to know that Cziffra is known because of his incredibile goddamn hands! I mean, listen how he used to warm up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7shGLjV0xJc
The only fault of Cziffra is that, because of his incredibile goddamn hands, he plays everything incredibly fast! And because of that, he often destroy some masterpieces... Let me do an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwRyYIPmj4
That is basically why I don't like him very much... You can hear it, he plays everything without a single error and he also play with a lot of power, but that is not Chopin (hear, for example, Pollini or Horowitz version of this last one).

Camillo ha scritto:And last but not least
Beethoven Rondò e capriccio played by Kissin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQn4Qfy_Bek


Beautiful is the right word. He has played this very fast Rondò almost perfectly but still you can hear that Beethoven composed it... I mean, probably you don't know: a musician should be able to play of course the piece, but he should also play the composer...
If this seems strange to you I'll do a simple example:
Chopin's last impromptu, Fantasie-impromptu op. posth. 66, is actually accidentally based on Beethoven's moonlight sonata, Sonata no.14, in particular the third movement (at least it seems to me). However if you listen to both of them by almost any pianist you will very easily recognize (if you know Chopin and Beethoven) who composed which one of those.
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So... Happy easter to everybody!
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Re: English for unapt people

Messaggioda Camillo » 31/03/2013, 08:36

I will listen the various pieces later to day :D
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Re: English for unapt paeople

Messaggioda Zero87 » 31/03/2013, 10:00

gio73 ha scritto:There is a lillà tree in my garden, his perfum is beautiful but unfotunately it blooms just on May.

You are waiting only for a couple of months. :)
Pianoth ha scritto:It also has an interesting history behind it... They say that Chopin has actually improvised this piece! I mean, because of the defeat in the Polish–Russian War, he was so mad that he started playing this piece with all his energy.

Do you also know the history behind the fifth studio of the same opera? :roll:
Pianoth ha scritto:Epic! [...] The only fault of Cziffra is that, because of his incredibile goddamn hands, he plays everything incredibly fast!

I know, he is really incredible...

Happy Easter to all :smt039
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Re: English for unapt people

Messaggioda Leonardo89 » 31/03/2013, 10:41

Zero87 ha scritto:I read thousand - non literaly - books treating of RH. I noted that these book are of two type
- basic (like Du Satoy): they are beautiful for a reading but at the end they leave questions instead of answers
- technic: they are full of RH but for medium math readers (I mean "people in the middle of triennale") they are impossible

So I decided to do a work in which the RH is fully explained and accessible for students which have the first's year bases (I wrote "Analisi I" but it's the same)...
... and so it's the motivation for the firsts chapters of my dissertation (I wrote something similar in the introduction). The meaning of english abstract is only because i need 3 extra cfu: they are 27+3 in which 27 are for the dissertation, 3 are various.

I never thought at a master thesis as a popular work: under this point of view your thesis does a very good job introducing the Riemann Hypothesis to the students of the first year.


gio73 ha scritto:
Leonardo89 ha scritto:
I'm only a student who loves math, especially algebra, which is why I'd like to improve my English to pursuing my dream of a PHD abroad.
I will do lots of English mistakes in this conversation.

I think because is better.


You're absolutely right, thanks, why in this context is wrong.

P.S. Happy Easter to all of you!
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